{"id":88020,"date":"2018-09-01T14:28:00","date_gmt":"2018-09-01T21:28:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/juicemagazine.com\/home\/?p=88020"},"modified":"2022-03-06T11:36:40","modified_gmt":"2022-03-06T19:36:40","slug":"duty-now-for-the-future-artisan-skateparks-dave-maxwell","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/juicemagazine.com\/home\/duty-now-for-the-future-artisan-skateparks-dave-maxwell\/","title":{"rendered":"Duty Now For The Future Artisan Skateparks Dave Maxwell"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t
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Dave Maxwell has been building concrete parks and wooden bowls over the last two decades to live out his dream to skate and create terrain that is fun. Dave has that underground reputation of a straight up ripper and, when you see what he has helped create with Artisan Skateparks, along with his crazy bowl complex in his backyard, you can understand how hard work and determination can make a skater\u2019s dreams of a myriad of roundwall creations come true. He doesn\u2019t do it for himself but more for his friends and generations of rippers to come so that they can experience the same stoke that skateboarding has given him. So FTDS, here comes Science Fair.<\/em><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t

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DUTY NOW FOR THE FUTURE: ARTISAN SKATEPARKS \u2013 DAVE MAXWELL<\/h4>

INTERVIEW AND INTRODUCTION BY JIM MURPHY<\/strong><\/p>

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We want to update the world on what Dave \u201cScience Fair\u201d Maxwell is doing. Let\u2019s talk about Artisan Skateparks. What year did you start working for them?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>

It\u2019s been a while. It was around ten years ago, since 2008.<\/p>

How did you come about working with concrete and working with Artisan? Had you done it before?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>

It just kind of worked out. There\u2019s the yin and yang of everything and for whatever reason I ended up in the Outer Banks of North Carolina and I met up with Andy Duck. I did a little bit of pool work with him and, the next thing you know, we were doing some skatepark work together.<\/p>

Did you have any concrete skills before that?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>

I had worked with a little bit of concrete before that. I had worked with RCMC. Rick Carje hooked me up. I got a job through Brett Turner, who hooked me up with Carje. After that, I worked with Grindline on a project. I had worked on a couple of parks, so I had gotten my feet wet.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t

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When you were working with Andy, at the very beginning, skatepark building really started to take off?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

Honestly, at that point, I was just trying to figure it out. I didn\u2019t know where things were going to go. You just take it day by day. The company, Artisan, started and I got in and I was working on pools and this and that.<\/p>\n

What was your first project with Artisan?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

The first pool that we did is a secret pool in our area. I can\u2019t even say the name.<\/p>\n

What were you doing? Were you forming dirt and tying rebar?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Well, I was trying to figure it out. It was like, \u201cOkay, let\u2019s do this pool.\u201d The whole thing with Artisan has been that there\u2019s multiple people putting a lot into it and I learned a lot from them. I\u2019ve just been there and I do my thing and I\u2019m learning and I\u2019m thankful I have a job.<\/p>\n

Artisan has been making a ton of killer parks. Do you get to skate the parks that you guys build?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

We get one or two runs in because, after it\u2019s done, you\u2019re moving on to the next park to build that one. What I like about building skateparks is that you get to check out the scene and skate the area around it. You get to skate and meet people and that\u2019s always been the thing about skateboarding. Whatever you\u2019re into skateboarding-wise, you just have to adapt as skateboarders. It\u2019s like, \u201cThis is what you have to skate.\u201d It\u2019s kind of cool and I like that. With that said, now there are a million things to skate. You don\u2019t have to worry if there\u2019s something to skate, because obviously there is. I\u2019m just trying to have a good time as always. I think what we\u2019re doing is fun.<\/p>\n

Tell me the names of the parks you built in the early days.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Raleigh, North Carolina was the first skatepark I worked on with Artisan. <\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t

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What did you build there?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

We built a vert bowl and a street area. It\u2019s so funny because everything changes as far as what people want over time.<\/p>\n

When you guys designed it, did you have a lot of input from the town?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

I had nothing to do with the design. I was just a worker. We went in there and changed stuff as much as we could. That was the earliest one I can remember. For a park, that was fun. We\u2019ve done a lot of really cool private bowls too. I think Andy Neal\u2019s pool is one of the coolest private ones that we\u2019ve done.<\/p>\n

Where is that?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

It\u2019s in Maryland. It\u2019s a backyard pool bowl eight feet deep. It\u2019s got a backyard pool feel to it. It\u2019s fun. I like that one.<\/p>\n

Let\u2019s talk about Woodbridge. Did you build that park? I heard the pool is killer.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

I worked on it with a bunch of other guys. It was Mark Gwaltney and the whole crew we had at the time that did all that. The pool is nice. It\u2019s 11-foot deep and that\u2019s the kind of stuff that I like to ride. I was stoked on that one. When you work on these projects, it takes more than one person to make it happen. That\u2019s what I want everyone to know. It\u2019s a lot of work. It takes a lot to get things done, especially with concrete. I\u2019ve worked with wood and you can figure out ways to do things by yourself, but with concrete it\u2019s a different monster.<\/p>\n

Well, let\u2019s talk about the monster bowl you\u2019ve been building in your backyard for how many years now?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Well, it took eight years to get built and it\u2019s finally done. The Spruce Goose, or whatever you want to call it, is done. I don\u2019t know what influenced me, but it started out as a thing and then I just couldn\u2019t stop. It\u2019s an obsession. You\u2019ve got to get something done and you get to a point where it\u2019s like, \u201cI\u2019ve got to do it now.\u201d<\/p>\n

What was the initial idea?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

The initial idea was some kind of big cock and balls bowl. It was just a general idea. I had this idea of maybe having an over vert pocket or a full pipe and then I said no. That\u2019s too much work with just the framing, so I just did this pocket and I stuck with it. I got a lot of wood from the beach and wood that was discarded. There would be Nor\u2019Easters and storms and all trees are lumber, so I would just go pick it up. That was cool. I\u2019d grab wood and then just throw it in the ground. My idea could be someone else\u2019s nightmare. It could be easier for them to do it out of concrete, but it just worked out for me.<\/p>\n

I remember talking to you when you were building it. Were you pretty much building it by yourself?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Yeah. At first, it was my girlfriend and me and we were doing it. After that, it was me. I had friends that would bring wood and stuff, so I wasn\u2019t completely by myself, but I can say that I did honestly build a lot of it by myself. It took a while and it was fun. After finishing it up, I think I had to do it by myself because I don\u2019t like people telling me what to do sometimes. It was my project, so I had to do it my way. That\u2019s just a skateboarder thing. It\u2019s like, \u201cDon\u2019t tell me how to do a trick.\u201d<\/p>\n

That\u2019s cool. You can be proud because it\u2019s your own creation. You put your sweat into it and now you get to ride it. How is it riding?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

I love it. It\u2019s my favorite thing to ride. When I\u2019m home, that\u2019s all I ride.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t

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How deep is it? What are the dimensions on that thing?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Well, first of all, it\u2019s more like a halfpipe with a bowled pocket. There is a 20 foot wide halfpipe section that is 12 feet deep and then it escalates up to 13 feet deep. Then the other side has a 7-foot section and a 9-foot section. It\u2019s really hard to describe with words. You\u2019ve got this and that. It rolls up and back down. You go from the 12 foot section up to the 13 foot section and back down to the 9 foot section. That\u2019s the whole thing. I like the idea of being able to pump from one bowl to another bowl. Nine and 12\u2019 and 13\u2019 sounded good to me in my head as far as height.<\/p>\n

Does that 9 foot section have vert?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Oh yeah. It\u2019s got a foot of vert. The 7-foot section doesn\u2019t have vert, but I didn\u2019t want it to. It\u2019s 8 feet of tranny just like the Hanger bowl didn\u2019t have vert. It\u2019s the perfect shallow end for a rebound.<\/p>\n

You can slingshot over it?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Yeah. It doesn\u2019t work like a slingshot, but you can slingshot over it. You just have to come and skate it, Murf. You can totally redirect in it. It\u2019s fun. I didn\u2019t know how it was going to work out. When you\u2019re building something to skate, you have to generalize how it\u2019s going to work out. It\u2019s all experimentation. You have a general idea of how things are going to work and then based off that, you have an idea of how to take things to the next level and how to change it to make it better. You have to try ideas out, but then you may have to tweak it to make it better. It\u2019s your personal skateboarding expectations. It\u2019s like bowl skating. Once you\u2019ve got it, you can tweak that a little bit and then go on with that for days. It is interesting and it gives you ideas to change the radius of this or that.<\/p>\n

That\u2019s sick. With the evolution of building with Artisan, do you look at it and think that you\u2019ll build something different or make a different shape pool or make more snake runs?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

If we had the budget, we\u2019d definitely do some snake runs. I would love to do a snake run. Who wouldn\u2019t? Are you kidding me? Me and Tom and everyone talked about doing a moonscape with crazy things you can pump off of and you\u2019d have coping to skate too. I like the idea of having an area to skate that is flowable, but you have to have so much room to do something like that. A lot of times the plan comes down to the room you have to work with. You have to be a realist. You\u2019ve got this much area to deal with so you do what you can with what you\u2019ve got. I\u2019d like more room to expand on skateparks. More room to build more stuff would be great. Everyone wants their own thing. Skateboarding is so diverse now.<\/p>\n

What would you like to build in the ultimate skatepark from Dave?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

I\u2019d like to see a mogul wasteland. When I say a mogul wasteland, I\u2019m not talking about something that\u2019s unskateable. It\u2019s the whole idea of having pump bumps and things you can pump off of everywhere. At the same time, when you go towards the outside, you\u2019d have coping to blast airs and then make a street area too. Within the modern area, there are things you can go up and do on the deck, and hit your ledges and all that stuff and then everyone is happy. That\u2019s what you want in a skatepark. To do that, you\u2019d need a lot of space and a lot of time and a lot of focus. I would love to see it happen. It needs to happen. Imagine ditches and pump bumps and moguls. There was an old mogul skatepark in North Myrtle Beach and that was left over from the \u201870s and there were pump bumps everywhere. It was killer. That park was fun. When I talk about this idea, it\u2019s a hybrid of that and you could pump off of all these things. It would have to be a massive area, but it would be awesome.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t

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It would be a skatepark where you would never have to put your foot down, right?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Right. You could be skating a bowl that is connected to this whole deal or whatever we can imagine. We could do giant things or we could do smaller versions of things. It\u2019s just things I think about. Or maybe you\u2019re carving around the outside of the park and there is a shallow end of stairs that you just carve over because they\u2019re there. As far as I\u2019m concerned, we could get some red curbs to slash on the outside too. I\u2019m trying to fulfill everyone\u2019s appetite here, so to speak. We\u2019d need some banks and ditches too. Maybe there\u2019s a rail section on the other side of the park, but rails don\u2019t work for me. To me, a skatepark should offer something that you don\u2019t have in your natural environment. Maybe we can have something that is in the natural environment but it\u2019s slightly tweaked in the skatepark environment. There are things that are cool, but you always think it could be cooler if it had a little more this or that, maybe a little bit more tranny or whatnot.<\/p>\n

Let\u2019s talk about the park in Burlington, Vermont. What was that experience building that park?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Burlington was epic! The thing I liked about Burlington was being in Vermont and not ever being there before. It was cool. We stayed on the lake and we had a really good time in Vermont.<\/p>\n

What was the design of that park?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

That was a Grindline design. We were stoked to work on that park. It was a killer park. You need to talk to people like Durand Beasley. Durand Beasley had a lot to do with making that stuff happen. He is a really hard worker and he\u2019s a good guy and he\u2019s a ripping skater too. Vermont was a big learning experience for us. We ran into a lot of drainage issues in Burlington, and we learned a lot. That had nothing to do with the design. That\u2019s just park building. Drainage is a main issue. You have to keep the water going in a certain way. The crew has to think a lot about drainage. We all think about drainage so much that it\u2019s like you have to drink your piss if you don\u2019t make the drainage right. As long as you have the drainage right, you\u2019re good.<\/p>\n

That makes sense.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

It does make sense when you\u2019re doing it, but it just sounds funny.<\/p>\n

How does Burlington ride?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Burlington rides epic. Let me put it this way. I skated the big bowl for 30 minutes and destroyed my hip. I want to go back and ride it because it was so epic. I just hit my hip really hard and that was it for me.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t

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Was Andy on that job with you?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

He was.<\/p>\n

What\u2019s it like working with Andy?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Andy is the man. He makes stuff happen.<\/p>\n

Is he the guy that has taught you through all of this?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

I would say that Andy has taught us the majority of everything. There are some other guys too like Mark Gwaltney and a few other guys. People have taught us a lot and we just go in and do our thing. After a while, people show you a few steps, and you learn from that and go on. I\u2019m constantly learning. With this type of work, you\u2019re always learning and you\u2019re always dealing with something different. It might not be like that for everyone, but it is for me. I\u2019m constantly challenged. It\u2019s cool and I like that.<\/p>\n

What is your main job on these gigs?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

I work on form work and I\u2019m the top guy when we do concrete. I\u2019m on the top, working on the coping. Within the realm of what we do, there is the person that works on the top, so they take care of that. There are people that take care of the bottom too. You have people cutting and, if you have metal coping, you have someone cutting coping to make sure it\u2019s right and that the finishing is right. I do that and I do form work and whatever else needs to be done.<\/p>\n

Do you shoot the gun?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

No. I don\u2019t deal with that. We have young kids that deal with that. I would do it if it needs to be done, but we\u2019ve got \u2018eager beavers\u2019 that are doing that. That would be Jesse. He really wanted to shoot the concrete, so we let him have it.<\/p>\n

[Laughs] Describe to people what\u2019s it\u2019s like to man the gun.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Well, it can be good, but you can also get shot back onto your ass. I\u2019ve had that happen. Before I worked with Artisan, when I was working with RCMC, I had that happen and I was just holding the hose while they were doing the clean out. What happens is that sometimes a rock is going to come through there and it\u2019s bigger than you thought, and the person that is shooting is going to get shot back. You try to get your mix right so you\u2019re not having big rocks, but that doesn\u2019t always happen.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t

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Tell me about Baltimore and what you guys built there?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

We did phase two of that park. We added the street course onto the bowl that we built there a few years ago. It turned out well, I think. I can\u2019t complain. I was there with Mark Frady and we made things happen. We formed up a fountain in the middle as a centerpiece, and it has these pump bumps and some ledges and stuff. I think everyone is going to be happy with it here in Baltimore.<\/p>\n

Do you guys hang out for the skatepark grand openings or are you out by then?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

We\u2019ll be out by then. I don\u2019t think I\u2019ve ever been to a grand opening. There was one grand opening in Saranac and I missed it. The other guys went to it, but I\u2019ve never been to a grand opening. I\u2019m on to the next job.<\/p>\n

Have you been overseas with Artisan?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Yeah. Artisan has been overseas twice, but I only went once. I went to Sweden and it was fun.<\/p>\n

What were you building there?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

That was probably one of the sickest parks we built. It\u2019s a giant flow bowl. It\u2019s just huge. It\u2019s probably 30,000 square feet. It took up a lot of space. We did that one, but I never got to skate it.<\/p>\n

Was that your first time to Sweden?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

That was my first time to Europe and I had a really good time. I traveled around and skated.<\/p>\n

Were the locals stoked on what you built?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

They seem stoked. They\u2019re having a good time with it. On top of that, we went to Helsinki, Finland, because they paid for our crew to go over there and while we were there we went to this old abandoned fort from WWI. By the time WWII came around, it was already considered obsolete, and it was totally skateable. We went and skated that and it was insane. It was really fun. It was built out of concrete and it was kind of like a mogul park from the \u201870s or something. It had edges on it and then it went to vert walls and you could ride off the sides. It was really cool. This thing was built in the 1900s and it\u2019s totally skateable. It\u2019s out in the middle of nowhere. I will have to say that was probably the coolest thing I got to skate on that trip. Then we did the booze cruise and went past it and I was like, \u201cWow. I skated that.\u201d In Helsinki, there are a million little islands everywhere. So you\u2019re going from Sweden to Helsinki on a booze cruise and the cruise ship opened up and you could drive your vehicles up. It was basically a barge as well to move vehicles. It was a pretty cool deal. It makes sense considering there were so many islands around between Sweden and Helsinki. <\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t

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Right on. Where do you go from here? What is your Duty Now For The Future?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

That\u2019s a good question. I just want to survive and see where it goes from here. I want to keep going.<\/p>\n

Okay, here\u2019s the most important question. What is the gnarliest thing you ever saw Chris Collette do? Let\u2019s talk about survival life situations with the Keith Richards of skateboarding.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

I saw him do a backside tailslide over the hip at Skatopia to the deep end and that was the gnarliest thing I\u2019ve seen him do besides 6-foot body jars and that kind of thing. He looked at me and said, \u201cI had a dream about this one.\u201d And then he did it. I was like, \u201cOh, wow.\u201d What about the guy that can\u2019t do a backside air, but he can do a 6-foot high body jar? I\u2019ve never understood it, but that\u2019s Collette. How about Tom Risser? Tom is still going and he\u2019s got stuff happening at Whip Snake Park. It\u2019s never going to end for all of these people that we meet. There are all these things going on. It\u2019s insane how crazy it\u2019s gotten. I\u2019m building and I think about how crazy skateboarding has gotten.<\/p>\n

Well, I\u2019m proud of you. You\u2019re killing it and you\u2019re on the road. It\u2019s sick. Are you stoked on your lifestyle or are you getting burnt out on it yet?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Um, there\u2019s a little bit of this and that. I get burnt out all the time. With that said, I would be burnt out with my lifestyle if I were just a regular dude for sure. The main thing is to keep it interesting. It\u2019s tough to do that sometimes, but we are trying. Murf, you\u2019re doing a good thing. Keep this going. You\u2019re my favorite. I remember you were in Poweredge talking about skating ditches in the lean times of skateboarding, and I think that people need to think about that. That is why I skateboard now. When you talk about that kind of stuff, that\u2019s what it\u2019s about.<\/p>\n

Yeah. Skating ditches is sick.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Tell me how hard it was to scrap through then. We have all this stuff that\u2019s so easy to skate now. What was it like for you trying to find stuff to skate?<\/p>\n

Well, here\u2019s the deal. When I was young, we\u2019d build these little quarter pipes and then, boom, we had Cherry Hill, the most epic concrete park ever and then a few years later, it was gone. We went from heaven to hell. All of a sudden, a lot of guys quit. Then we stole wood and built ramps, but we were addicted to concrete and roundwall and those beautiful tiles, after watching guys like Mike Jesiolowski do 15 block board slides and Jami Godfrey blasting backside airs. We were so addicted that we needed to ride tranny in any way, shape or form. We wanted to feel concrete under our trucks, so if you found a ditch, you were in heaven. You\u2019d drive forever to skate that thing.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Yeah. You can\u2019t quit.<\/p>\n

You can\u2019t quit. When I went to college, I\u2019d street skate and skate Tom Groholski\u2019s halfpipe. Groholski kept it going. His dad put a clear plexiglass halfpipe in his backyard because he wanted his son to have something to ride. <\/strong><\/span>
You and Groholski and that group, were it, for me. You guys made me want to skateboard. Even though I didn\u2019t know you then, I feel like it was an eclectic time.<\/p>\n

Well, you know why this magazine exists. This magazine exists because of guys like you, and me meeting Terri Craft in New York. I said, \u201cWe have to put more vert skating in the magazine.\u201d Terri said, \u201cRight on. Let\u2019s do it.\u201d I said, \u201cI want to interview Science and Merk and the core guys that are still doing it.\u201d<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Yeah. I just like skating vert because it\u2019s fun. It\u2019s an eclectic thing.<\/p>\n

You\u2019re the definition of eclectic. Everyone has a great Science story, like Merk and the crew meeting you at the Badlands in Florida skating that pool.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

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Back in those days, we didn\u2019t have shit to ride. That one park down there was so random, but guys would drive from up North for a day just to get there to skate.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

That was insane. I really appreciated it. I moved from Charlotte down there and we had good times skating there. I met Merk, Bato and Sloppy Sam and they stayed at the house and we watched VHS videos and skated. Everyone was stoked. <\/p>\n

You\u2019re in an older generation now, and you\u2019re with these young guys and now they\u2019re looking up to you. You\u2019re basically doing what me and Groholski did.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

I don\u2019t know why anyone would look up to me. I don\u2019t think they do.<\/p>\n

You are clueless to how rad you are and how rad you skate. Everybody that has seen you skate knows you\u2019re the man, so you\u2019re being super humble. Let me just tell you right now. You\u2019re still ripping hard. I\u2019ve seen photos of you riding that crazy bowl of yours. What you\u2019ve got to keep doing is doing what you do.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

I try.<\/p>\n

You just gotta know. Everything you said about me and Groholski, now you\u2019re that guy that these kids are looking up to. You\u2019re the greatest example of what a true skateboarder is, so keep doing what you\u2019re doing. Believe me, Dave. You don\u2019t need an ego boost, but everyone that has seen you skate knows how rad you are. One of the raddest things about you is that you\u2019re humble and you do it for strictly the right reasons. You don\u2019t have an ego and you\u2019re not a jock about it.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Well, thanks. Coming from you, that means a lot. You know what I do have, and I\u2019ve got to find it and send it to you, is a video of us doing doubles at Tom Risser\u2019s ramp in \u201893. It was the first time I met you and I was just a kid like 19 or something. We were skating together and you were living in Charlotte. I\u2019m going to send this footage to you.<\/p>\n

Oh sick. Did I rock n roll your board or did you rock n roll my board? It was like the Eric Grisham and Steve Hirsch doubles lines where the guys rock n roll.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Right. I knew that shit and I wanted it to happen and I was hyped on it and we made it happen.<\/p>\n

You know what the raddest thing about that day was, Dave? That was at the point where the skateboard industry had just shit me down a chute and I was no longer valued as a skateboarder. I lost all my sponsors and I was in Charlotte, North Carolina completely unemployed and skating that ramp going, \u201cI don\u2019t care. I\u2019m a skateboarder. It doesn\u2019t matter if I\u2019m not sponsored. I\u2019m going to keep skating.\u201d When I met you, I was like, \u201cCool. Here\u2019s a dude that is all about skating. It\u2019s about the fun of skateboarding.\u201d I was at a point where I was just so hungry to skate and be out of that pro stardom bullshit.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

It\u2019s crazy that you\u2019re telling me that. I was like, \u201cFuck, this is Murf.\u201d I knew who you were. <\/p>\n

Yeah. I went from touring the world to them saying, \u201cYou\u2019re done. See ya. Next.\u201d<\/strong> <\/span><\/p>\n

It was the shutdown.<\/p>\n

The only person that stood by me was Indy. Independent Trucks hooked me up through all that. I\u2019m just letting you know that what you do is great because I saw you at the beginning and it\u2019s rad.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Well, hey, maybe it\u2019s because you were there at the beginning. You have to think about that. I have to thank Tom Risser too. That dude definitely influenced me. He built that crazy ass ramp and that definitely influenced my skateboarding.<\/p>\n

I loved that thing. It was so sick. It was like a little skatepark made out of wood.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

How fun was that? He just kept adding on and adding on. Tom is a really good dude. He\u2019s got a crazy place out past that now too. He\u2019s a good guy. What I\u2019m trying to say, throughout time, skateboarders have been trying to do crazy things, and I\u2019m just part of it and you\u2019re part of it. I guess we\u2019re all just part of it, at this point. It\u2019s kind of crazy. I\u2019m working on these skateparks and I just feel humbled by all the shit that\u2019s happened. I look back through time and meeting you and Tom and we did all that. Everything in general throughout time, you\u2019re just skating and it\u2019s really kind of crazy.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t

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Well, you guys are really building killer skateparks.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

I do the best I can. Believe me. You need to interview other guys too. I\u2019m glad you interviewed me, but there are other people in our company that are doing it. Durand Beasley is a major contributor. Thanks for caring to talk to me and thank you for all the years you\u2019ve sent me boards. I\u2019ve always looked up to you as a skateboarder.<\/p>\n

Thanks, dude.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Seriously. You\u2019re the coolest pro skater I can think of. I always thought, \u201cMurf is the coolest pro skater there is because he doesn\u2019t give a fuck.\u201d For the older guys, things got tough. Then I met you in Charlotte and we skated together and we still skate. We\u2019re still skateboarders. The fact that we\u2019re still skating is crazy. It\u2019s still happening. I\u2019m stoked on the skatepark thing.<\/p>\n

Thank you for building kick ass parks.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Well, the kids need something, dude, otherwise, whew, this Olympics thing\u2026 I don\u2019t even know what to think about it. It could be more work.<\/p>\n

Are you stoked on the Olympics because you think it will bring you more work building more skateparks?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

It was bound to happen. People that do what they do are going to keep doing what they do anyway. The fact that it\u2019s happening doesn\u2019t even matter. To quote Tony Hawk, \u201cThe Olympics needs skateboarding, but skateboarding does not need the Olympics.\u201d I agree. Skateboarders are going to do what they do anyways. Skateboarders are pretty resourceful people. As much shit as society gives skateboarders, we\u2019re pretty resourceful.<\/p>\n

Look at what Monk and Red did.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

Yeah. Look at what Monk and Red did. Look at skateboarders as a whole and how many backyard ramps have been built. Think about that. Let\u2019s talk about the DIY projects that have been done that were inspired by Monk and Red. Skateboarders are just misinterpreted. They have a mission, but their mission gets pushed away because it\u2019s not allowed. I think it\u2019s getting more allowed these days because it can\u2019t not get allowed.<\/p>\n

You\u2019re on the cutting edge of shit. You\u2019re doing it night and day.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

I\u2019m just saying the guys out there building DIYs are doing it. Things are looking good in skateboarding. How can it be bad? I remember reading your interview in Poweredge in the \u201880s and, at that time, we were just scraping for places to skate. We were just looking for whatever we could find. I was thinking, \u201cWow. We\u2019ve got it really good now.\u201d Sometimes, I think it should be not so good for the kids because it\u2019s too much enjoyment. They need a little bit of a setback.<\/p>\n

What would those kids do if all the public skateparks closed? Would they go DIY and do it themselves?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

At this point, I think they would go DIY. A couple of years ago, they probably wouldn\u2019t have. A few years ago they could have been influenced into not doing it. It was like, \u201cWell, we just have this.\u201d I think right now it\u2019s a renaissance in skateboarding. There are skateparks going on and there are DIY spots going on and there is street skating going on and there are curbs going on and there are backyard vert ramps going on and there are people seeking out pools. Murf, I feel like I\u2019ve never seen it like this. I\u2019ve been skating since \u201884 and I\u2019ve never seen anything like it. What is offered in skateboarding now, I\u2019ve never seen anything like it. If you want it, it\u2019s there. <\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t

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Yes, it is. Do you have anybody you want to thank?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I just want to say that I like everyone and I wish that I could help everyone. I also wish that everything was like 1986 where we could all just do 360 early grabs off jump ramps. I\u2019m only saying that from my view of where I was at the time. In \u201886, what were you saying, Murf? You were probably saying, \u201cI wish Cherry Hill was here.\u201d I was probably jumping off jump ramps or something. With that said, we found this common ground that we\u2019re on. Everyone needs to find the common ground in skateboarding. I don\u2019t know what it is, but let\u2019s find it. It could be street skating. It could be handplants. It could be carving and grinding and slashing. I just watched Tim Jackson\u2019s part in the Santa Cruz video, Risk It. If anyone hasn\u2019t seen that, they need to see it. There are so many people to thank throughout time. Let\u2019s go with Charlotte first. I have to thank the Deese family for giving us a platform to build whatever we could think of. I met Travis Deese in \u201887. We would skateboard together and we were going to school together in middle school. He had a jump ramp that went into the dirt and then his parents built him a 10-foot tall ramp with one layer and we skated that. Then they built an 8-foot tall ramp and then we added the spine ramp onto that with Chuck Powell. After that, we raised money through Chuck to have our second vert ramp at the Ramp Farm. Then we had our \u201890s vert ramp there. From there, it\u2019s always been going on. I\u2019m thankful for Joe Fagan whose got his own bowl going now. I want to keep everything going on in Charlotte. I\u2019m thankful for all my friends that I hang with. There are crews up and down the East Coast. It went from jump ramp and streetplant times in the \u201880s to the \u201890s where everything was happening at Rolling Thunder. I met so many people there. What about Aaron Jones? That\u2019s another person I used to skate with, and my buddy, John King, another skateboarder that I skated with. He still lives in Charlotte. You always leave someone out in an interview and I\u2019m not trying to do that. I\u2019m just trying to be eclectic. What about Load? I have to say something about Load. Come on! The Load Warrior invented heckling on the East Coast. Morris Wainwright was definitely my inspiration too. When I was a kid, he was going to college in Charlotte, and he was one of the first rippers I saw. Wade Gullage is another name that must be mentioned. Wade Gullage was another ripper from the Charlotte area and I must mention, Mark Hardy. Those three dudes right there, when I was a little kid, were the first people I saw ripping. Around the same time, I would go to Myrtle Beach to skate that mogul park and I\u2019d have to say that Rob Mosley and Hank Biering were ripping. I have to give it to the McKinnon brothers too. They were the dudes that went faster than anyone at the old mogul park in N. Myrtle Beach. We were just blown away. That was the early stuff, for me, in my first two or three years of skating. Then there was the Farm Ramp in \u201893. It was on the same property as the original Farm Ramp that I didn\u2019t get to ride, but you could see the remnants of it. By the time I could drive, Eastern Vert had opened and we were skating Eastern Vert. Eastern Vert was so major in skateboarding. If I don\u2019t mention Eastern Vert, I will feel like a complete buffoon. The people that were skating there were Neal Hendrix and Mike Frazier. That\u2019s why I\u2019m into building skateparks. Those dudes ripped so hard. Frazier would show up and this one time he had nothing but shoe strings. I remember screaming, \u201cHot foot!\u201d He didn\u2019t care. He was ripping so hard and not getting anything for it. All he had was all of these shoe strings so he could keep tying his shoe up so he could keep trying stuff on vert. He was burning through them. I remember so much stuff going down at Eastern Vert. People were learning so much stuff. We can\u2019t not talk about Brian Howard and Mike Sinclair. All those dudes used to ride Eastern Vert. Eastern Vert was a meeting ground. A lot of people that ripped came out of there. It was a lot of good times and I met a lot of cool people. Let me put it to you this way. The early \u201890s in North Carolina were epic because there were a lot of good backyard ramps and indoor skateparks. You had the Carolina Beach Ramp House and Eastern Vert and Rolling Thunder. It wasn\u2019t just the Carolinas because you could go to the Skatezone in Atlanta, which wasn\u2019t too far away from Charlotte. I was 17 or 18 at the time, so I feel like I got to enjoy it from where it was as far as nothing to skate to that time in the \u201890s where there was a lot to skate. Kids could afford to drive and go skate places and I was fortunate enough to skate a lot of those places. This is one thing that I do want to say. The wooden stuff that was being built on the East Coast in the early \u201890s was epic. I\u2019m not saying that other things weren\u2019t going on in other places worldwide, but we had the Hanger bowl. We had the Skatezone. We had Carolina Beach. Those were three places in \u201890 and \u201891, as far as being built out of wood, that were pretty cool. It went from halfpipes to roundwall. Carolina Beach was more like a pool in comparison to other stuff that was being built at the time. I remember going there when I was 16 or 17 and it was crazy. Chet Childress ripped it, obviously. That was his home park. He was a couple of years younger than me and we were like, \u201cThis kid is ripping.\u201d I just remember him ripping that park. I skated it a bunch in \u201889 and \u201890. It was crazy. Mark Frady just walked in. He just got here from Charleston where he was helping Ed Peck build a bowl. We all went to the SK8 Charleston park opening too. We didn\u2019t work on that park, but I love Charleston. That\u2019s one of my towns. I spent a lot of time there. Charleston and Charlotte and Wilmington are my towns. As a skateboarder, those are my East Coast towns that I\u2019m going to defend. If I was going to have any type of blatant localism, and I couldn\u2019t really have any because I\u2019d get beat up by the locals there, that\u2019s where it\u2019s at. Hey, listen, I\u2019ve got one. I have to mention Leaphart. I can\u2019t not mention the Mouth of the South! I didn\u2019t mean to forget about you, Jimmy. Yeah. I know who you are. Of course, Brewce Martin, I know who you are. I have to give it up to Savage. The Savage made me want to build shit to skate because I had to skate with Savage. I have to give credit where credit is due. He was doing his own thing and it made me want to do my own thing. I get it. I built my own stuff after seeing people build stuff. Brewce is a total inspiration. I\u2019m going to try to make it back to his place soon. It\u2019s hard because we\u2019re out building parks all the time now, but it could happen though. Wait. What about Jerry Hahn? Come on. He\u2019s another person. I\u2019ve got so many people that I love as brothers that I didn\u2019t even mention. I feel bad. I\u2019ve left so many people out. My brain is not all there. Some of the people that I talked about that were original mentors, I don\u2019t even see anymore, but it doesn\u2019t matter. They were the original people that influenced me to skateboard. The mid \u201880s was a very interesting time in skateboarding. 1985 and 1986 on the East Coast was pretty fuckin\u2019 cool. I mean stuff was going on in a lot of other places simultaneously and that\u2019s how it happens. Stuff was going on all over the world, but look at the Hanger. A bunch of people got broke off at the Hangar. Shit goes on, man, and there\u2019s a lot of good things going on now. I think everyone is pilgrimaging to their own point. Look at it this way. If we\u2019re ten years behind on the East Coast, it\u2019s a damn good thing because I also believe that we\u2019re ten years ahead, and we\u2019re just going to be building more killer shit to skate. It used to be that you had to worry about going to Del Mar or going to this one place to skate. Now there is stuff to skate everywhere and I want to thank everyone I ever skated with. Now we\u2019re just doing our thing. I\u2019m over here on the East Coast building skateparks and I want to say thanks to Andy Duck and everyone on the Artisan crew.<\/p>\n

Killer. Any last words?<\/strong><\/p>\n

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