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THE SHRINE<\/b>
INTERVIEW with JOSH LANDAU<\/b>
INTERVIEW by CHUCK DUKOWSKI<\/b>
PHOTOS by DAN LEVY and OLIVIA JAFFE<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

The Shrine are bringing sludge rock to the masses with an old soul style. Josh Landau cut his teeth skating backyard pools and playing guitar and he has always been wise beyond his years. He hit the road when he was a teenager with his first band funding the tour by selling merch and playing as many gigs as possible. He has had the good fortune of working with one if his idols, Chuck Dukowski of Black Flag, who has become a great mentor, friend and producer. Josh now travels the world in the name of skateboarding and music.<\/i><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Let\u2019s talk. How did you first learn about Juice Magazine?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I met Dan at this pool on Sunset Blvd. when I was 14. I\u2019d seen him around shooting photos and I was like, \u201cThat\u2019s the guy from Juice.\u201d I\u2019d read the magazine, and \u201cPools, Pipes and Punk Rock\u201d is their slogan and I thought that was cool. At the time, I didn\u2019t feel any relation to modern skateboarding. When I was ten, it was like, \u201cTony Hawk. X Games. This is awesome.\u201d By sixth grade, I was at Tony Hawk autobiography book signings. By ninth grade, I wasn\u2019t interested in mainstream skateboarding because it was all hip hop stuff.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

When was this? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

This was 2003. That\u2019s when I started to look beyond the X Games for skateboarding. In \u201899, my parents took us to the X Games in San Francisco. I was probably ten, and my brother, Jason, was six. We were in San Francisco for the night and our parents took us to the X Games to watch the gnarly crazy vert contest. It was awesome. Our parents have always been super cool.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

When did you start skating? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

It was in \u201899. I have a funny photo of me with a plastic Toys\u201dR\u201dUs board. I\u2019m as tall as the board. I was pushing around on my knee.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[Laughs] That\u2019s something. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

When I was a kid, we lived in Mar Vista, near Penmar Park, on a corner and the people on the next block were connected on the backside. All these teenagers lived in that house, and that house was loud. They had an old \u201860s Beetle that was all suped-up. I have these memories of them racing up our block. The driveway was banked and our driveways were connected, and they\u2019d be out there skating. This was before Jason and I stated skating. I was seven and he was four. I just have this memory of my mom bringing out these old kiddie car chairs and we were sitting in kiddie chairs watching these guys skate the garage. That was my earliest memory of skateboarding.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I know the kids that were down the street from my house were skating on steel wheels, and we looked up to them and made our own steel wheel boards. Then they came out with the mini steel wheels for doing freestyle tricks. They were maybe an inch wide. I never understood it. It was natural to look up to other kids that were getting all crazy and doing shit. When did you get into music? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I guess it was in sixth grade when some girl gave me a Misfits CD and an Operation Ivy CD. She said, \u201cYou should listen to this.\u201d Then someone else said, \u201cYou better not like the Misfits because I don\u2019t like the Misfits.\u201d I was like, \u201cWhoa. I don\u2019t even really get it.\u201d I listened to it and I wanted to like it because this girl gave it to me. This other guy was like, \u201cI hate the Misfits. I hate that guy\u2019s voice.\u201d I didn\u2019t know what to think. It sounded pretty cool to me. I was unsure about that until eighth grade, and then I was like, \u201cThis is amazing.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

What was your first favorite band?<\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Operation Ivy. That stuck with me since seventh grade. In eighth grade, at John Adams   Middle School, there was a Battle of the Bands and my band played a Misfits song and two originals. In seventh grade, I had a Mohawk and army pants.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

So you started right in playing. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Yeah. I was playing my dad\u2019s old Gibson guitar.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Did you take lessons or did you just pick it up? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I had one lesson at McCabe\u2019s and it was Acoustic Nylon String. It was like, \u201cHere\u2019s how to play \u201cNorwegian Wood\u201d by the Beatles.\u201d After one lesson, I was like, \u201cI\u2019m out. That\u2019s it.\u201d I didn\u2019t want to learn a Beatles song. I was like, \u201cThis is not rock.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

So you got your own guitar and got crazy with it? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Well, it\u2019s weird, because people come here and jam with us and they meet my dad and he\u2019s been playing guitar since he was seven. My dad had music lessons, but he never pushed it on me. I didn\u2019t play until I was 12, when I started getting into music. I was trying to figure out how to play a Misfits song. I remember years after that, being in Hawaii with my family on vacation, and a Beatles song came on the radio. By that time, my dad was helping our bands record. He almost gave up music when I was born and he started working in the family business. He was never like, \u201cThis is the Rolling Stones. This is the Beatles. Listen to this. You play guitar, here\u2019s Jimi Hendrix.\u201d He\u2019d always play his own songs on guitar. Once I started having bands, he\u2019d help us record. He would help set up drum mikes, but he never pushed music or guitar playing on me. So we were in Hawaii and \u201cSgt. Pepper\u2019s Lonely Hearts Club Band\u201d comes on and my dad said, \u201cThis was recorded with a four-track.\u201d I was like, \u201cI\u2019ve never really listened to this.\u201d And then I did. When I was 18 and I had my first girlfriend, she was like, \u201cThis is Led Zeppelin. This is the Stones. This is the Beatles.\u201d I was like, \u201cNo. I listen to the Ramones and Black Flag. I don\u2019t listen to the Beatles.\u201d Then I was like, \u201cWait a minute.\u201d The Ramones favorite band was the Rolling Stones. I knew Joey Ramone was into \u201860s rock.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u201cReading about my old favorite bands or my old favorite skaters, that ethos has always stuck with me. I didn\u2019t really drink or do any drugs all through high school. I sat in my room playing my guitar along to Black Flag records.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n

Well, there was a big pop undercurrent to what the Ramones were doing, and they also played very aggressively with barre chords, and no single note stuff. Structurally, it\u2019s moving along with a chord that you\u2019d expect from Black Sabbath, but the melodic stuff and the flow in it is pop. It\u2019s not heavy. It\u2019s aggressive. They had a more unique thing. Their first drummer was a really impressive player. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

All the rhythm and chord changes are driving.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The Misfits picked up on that sound. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

They\u2019re just the evil Ramones, basically. They have the same simple chord changes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The biggest thing is keeping the push going, and always playing chords. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Downstrokes. Power. That\u2019s the best stuff.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

What about music and its tie-in with skating? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

By ninth grade, I was back and forth from surfing to skating. In fifth and sixth grade, I was skating. In seventh and eighth grade, I started surfing more. Then I saw the Dogtown movie. I looked at skating and said, \u201cThis is like surfing, but it\u2019s just so much more instantaneous.\u201d We started looking for pools, ditches and banks. That comes back to Dan at Juice. We found this pool in Bel-Air, and it was a giant Roman pool. When we found it, it was full of black water and it was all crusty. It had air bubbles in it from sitting empty, because pools with no water in them rise and do weird shit. We were skating there in ninth grade, and one day, my buddy Sam and I, were walking in and Tony Alva was walking out. We were in shock. He said, \u201cYou guys shouldn\u2019t be parking here. You should park over there.\u201d We were like, \u201cWas that Tony Alva? Holy shit.\u201d We couldn\u2019t believe it. The next time we went there, it was a full session and Dan was shooting the session for Juice. We were like, \u201cWe found this pool. We cleaned it out.\u201d They ended up using a photo from that session for one of their covers. I was up standing there in the background with all my pads on in the shallow end of the pool. I was so stoked. I was carrying the mag around school and showing everyone. I was so psyched. I had read Juice, and all their interviews are fucking awesome.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I really think their interviews are good. I did one for them and I liked it. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I throw away all the other skate magazines. With Juice, they\u2019re more like books and there is more history to them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I think they are pretty turned on people, in general. There is some thinking going on. They\u2019re smart. It\u2019s cool. I\u2019m curious because you talked about your bands from long ago. What band was that? Were those guys skaters? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Yeah. The first band I played with in eighth grade was with my friend Doug, and we were called the High Stakes. We tried to play two originals and \u201cNight of the Living Dead\u201d by the Misfits.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Were there any recordings? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

No. That was my first band with the dude in seventh grade that I skated with. He had gone to Old Star in Santa Monica and bought a bunch of their launch ramps and funboxes and had them at his house. We\u2019d go skate and then jam. He played me Black Flag for the first time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

What was the next band after High Stakes? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

It was the Kritics with my buddies Harley and Ashton. That was the jump from eighth grade to ninth grade.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Nobody in the Kritics was in High Stakes? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

No. High Stakes didn\u2019t go any further than the Battle of the Bands.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

What place did you get? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

We got second place. The first place band covered Nirvana or something. They just did all covers, and we tried to make up some stupid songs. In the ninth grade, when we started to skate pools, it was the same thing. All of the other sides of skateboarding, like street skating, were still in the \u201890s hip hop, huge pants, puffy shoes, ghetto fabulous skateboarding world. Not only did I get into punk, I wanted to skate pools, so that went hand-in-hand for me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

You never embraced the rap\/hip hop world? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I loved RUN DMC and NWA. We liked old hip hop like Public Enemy and the Sugar Hill Gang. We were stoked on that. We just weren\u2019t into every single current rap artist, just like we weren\u2019t into mainstream rock and metal.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

So you did The Kritics? I know that name because Ashton jams with me on drums. Harley was in Rabies and he was also in the blues band, Bad Apple. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Those guys will probably be around my whole life, which is pretty awesome. When I got to high school, Ashton and Harley already had a band. The first week of high school, I\u2019d just heard Black Flag Damaged. Harley was like, \u201cDo you want to go to this Black Flag for Cats show?\u201d I didn\u2019t even get it, but Harley was asking me, so I was going. I didn\u2019t understand it because I thought Black Flag was an old band. I didn\u2019t know any names or anything about it. At the time, I\u2019d only heard little bits of Damaged, and loved it. I saw that show and didn\u2019t really know what was going on. It was like three-hour slow jams, and I\u2019d never been to the Palladium to see a show. In the middle of the set, we were sitting on the side in the hallway. I didn\u2019t know any of the songs, and it was just droning on and on. We were like, \u201cWe don\u2019t get it.\u201d People were saying, \u201cThis sucks. This is a rip off!\u201d as they were walking out.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

People were laying the rules on you. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I remember Mike Vallely, the skater, came out and sang. For a minute, Dez came out and sang and, for that minute, I knew the songs and we were super stoked. That was the first time I had hung out with Harley outside of school. After that, Harley and Ashton had a band. I was like, \u201cOh, man, can I play second guitar? I want to be in the band.\u201d The funny thing is their band\u2019s name at that time was Phlegm Salad. The weirder thing is that Court was the guitar player. They had played one show at Sarah\u2019s house at this backyard party. They had one song called, \u201cFuck Phlegm Salad!\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

What a gross concept. [Laughs] <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I remember going to this one show and Harley had weed in his Diablo game video box. He didn\u2019t know what he was doing. He was in tenth grade and I was in ninth grade. He was like, \u201cI think I\u2019m going to eat some of this before the show. Do you want any?\u201d I was like, \u201cNo way.\u201d I\u2019d smoked weed in seventh grade, but by eighth grade, I realized my parents were stoners and I\u2019d decided I didn\u2019t want to be like them. On the way to that Cats show, Harley ate a nug of weed in the car while his mom drove us there. It was so funny. He said, \u201cI don\u2019t think it worked.\u201d Later on, he said, \u201cI don\u2019t think you\u2019re supposed to eat it like that.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[Laughs] Did you play in Phlegm Salad? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

We played at Sarah\u2019s house, but that was it. No one was working or doing anything. I was eager as fuck. Playing guitar was all I wanted to do. I wanted to be in a band. I was like, \u201cCome on. We can jam in my garage.\u201d They were like, \u201cOkay.\u201d So that became our band, The Kritics.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Phlegm Salad evolved and Court went off into another world for a while? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Court was the high school metalhead. He could play the solo to \u201cHostile\u201d by Pantera.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[Laughs] Dimebag Court. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

That was his world. Phlegm Salad ended and we started jamming. The Kritics were me, Harley and Ashton. Our hit song was called \u201cAnthrax.\u201d Harley wrote it. It was his 9-11 spoof or something like, \u201cWe put anthrax in your salt. We put anthrax in your tea, on the radio, on TV…\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u201cIt\u2019s in the newspaper. No! You can\u2019t go out. It\u2019s on the gas pump.\u201d It\u2019s the paranoia stuff. Why were you called The Kritics? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I think I made that up. It was The Kritics with a K. It was some ninth grade idea. We were like, \u201cWe\u2019ll be critics. We\u2019ll talk shit on whatever we want.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

You were doing the criticizing then? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

[Laughs] I don\u2019t know if it had that much thought behind it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

It\u2019s assertive. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

So what happened with The Kritics? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

We played a few shows and recorded 15 or 20 songs. We played 15 or 20 shows in one year. Harley was singing and playing guitar and Ashton was playing bass. We played a bunch of backyard parties and opened up for T.S.O.L. at the Island Theatre. Then we were just butting heads super gnarly. Harley and I were writing a bunch of stuff and hanging out a bunch, and Ashton had just picked up the girlfriend, so we were all butting heads. Ashton was jamming with someone else too, so I think Ashton just quit on us. Then we were like, \u201cThat\u2019s okay because we\u2019re all over the place.\u201d Somewhere between ninth and tenth grade, I started to read more and get more records and get more into stuff. In tenth grade, it was like, \u201cOkay, here it is. Shaved head. American Hardcore. It\u2019s on.\u201d So we started Rabies. The Kritics had ended and Harley walked up to me in the hall and said, \u201cWe should call the band Rabies. I said, \u201cHoly shit. I was thinking the same thing.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Rabies is a heavy one. If you think about zombies, rabies is the actual disease undercurrent of all that stuff. It\u2019s the progression of that disease that makes people animals. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Exactly. We had a song called \u201cZombies Ate My Neighbors.\u201d Harley wrote half on the Rabies end and half on the video game end.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Were you guys into video games? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

It was Super Nintendo. It was original Nintendo, Super Nintendo and Sega that we played. We were like, \u2018Fuck that new Xbox shit.\u201d We were playing old games like the original Super Mario Bros. We were psyched on that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

It was the old stuff with the weird tinker toy techno? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Totally. Rabies started and, by tenth grade, we were hunting in Beverly Hills and Bel-Air for pools. That was all I did. I almost completely quit surfing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

It was the convergence of skateboarding and music. You were jamming still, right? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

We were jamming and the skate crew was in effect. We\u2019d get up at 6AM on Sunday because there\u2019s no construction on Sunday, and we\u2019d drive through Beverly Hills and look over fences and drive down alleys and look for pools. For a long time, I could tell you the order of all the streets where the pools were in Beverly Hills. We were skating a ton of pools.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Pools were the things to skate. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Yeah. We were in Bel-Air too. Then we moved East and we were in Santa Monica a lot. The first pool I rode was at my friend Misha\u2019s house in Santa Monica. I was in seventh grade. We went there because kids in school were talking about it like, \u201cHe\u2019s got an empty pool. Come skate it.\u201d I skated it and I remember slamming so bad trying to go over the light the first time. I was totally destroying myself. There were a couple of older dudes skating, and I kept getting up to the light and jumping off. I couldn\u2019t do anything else. It was like a mental block. I couldn\u2019t get over the light. Finally, I was like, \u201cOkay, I\u2019m going to try it.\u201d I closed my eyes and tried it and slammed super hard. It was two years before I rode another pool again.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[Laughs] You have to be a badass to be a great skater. Your mistakes are on cement. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I knocked myself unconscious skating at the Santa Monica Skatepark. It just comes with it. It made sense looking back at Black Flag and American hardcore. Skateboarding and rock go hand-in-hand. Why do skateboarding and hip hop go hand-in-hand now? I don\u2019t get it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

That\u2019s just what\u2019s popular and happening in the culture. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

We were so psyched on JFA. It all made perfect sense. Our two favorite things went hand-in-hand.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Maybe they do re-converge. The soundtrack of the Dogtown movie was the good version of classic rock. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I was listening to classic rock even before I was listening to Black Sabbath. I was watching the Dogtown documentary and I was like, \u201cHere\u2019s \u201cInto the Void\u201d while these guys are surfing POP. Watching that video, I was super into the skating, but I didn\u2019t get into Alice Cooper, Black Sabbath, Hendrix or the Stooges then. It took four more years to get into that part of the movie. No one around me was playing that music. No one was like, \u201cHere\u2019s Black Sabbath.\u201d That didn\u2019t happen until I was 18.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

You\u2019ve always been super well-versed about music. You ferret out the obscure stuff and it\u2019s hard to turn you on to something. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

That\u2019s the Internet. Everything is there to check out. It\u2019s pretty amazing. There\u2019s a lot happening today, but there\u2019s not as much that\u2019s as exciting as what\u2019s happened in the past.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

You get to witness the \u2018was.\u2019 You get to pick and choose. That was stuff that happened over a long time. You get to just pick it out and say this was the great stuff from this ten-year era. Now you say, \u201cWell, in 2012, there wasn\u2019t much happening except the Shrine and all these other things.\u201d There is a scene happening now. All of the players are still active, and you guys have stayed on track. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I think that comes back to what we were talking about when you think of the world as being scary and fucked. I never had a job. I finished high school and had good grades and I was like, \u201cAm I going to college? I have a garage I can jam in. How am I going to do that if I go there?\u201d Rabies was recording and touring and I didn\u2019t want to do anything but that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

So you had Rabies all through high school? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Rabies ended in 12th grade.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I have a Rabies 7-inch. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

We had three 7-inches and an LP.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Wow. I don\u2019t have them all. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I\u2019ll have to give them to you. Some of them I don\u2019t have.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Isaac had them all. He was into you guys since that gig you played with us at the C.I.A. (California Institute of the Abnormal). <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

That was a weird place. I remember that show. We were complete worshippers.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

You guys played, we played and Sarah\u2019s group, Fallopian, played. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I remember there was this Mexican dude that I skated pools with in the valley. We skated that day in the San Fernando Valley, and he came to the show that night. He was this punk dude. Fallopian was playing and he said, \u201cHomegirl is only playing one note.\u201d I was cracking up. That was his observation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[Laughs] Well, she has a song called \u201cSex With A Tree\u201d you know? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

[Laughs] That was so funny. So we were playing every show we could. We did a U.S. tour and that was our big achievement. We did 44 shows in 46 days. The Shrine still hasn\u2019t beaten that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Most of your touring has been with bigger bands. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

We did a few West Coast tours on our own, but we did a U.S. tour with Fu Manchu and they only played 11 shows. I was looking at it from my hardcore mindset and looking at old Black Flag tours, and booking the Rabies, and hearing Mike Watt\u2019s words, \u201cIf you\u2019re not playing, you\u2019re paying.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

That was my watchword too. I used to book Mike\u2019s tours, back in the day, with my own tours, and we were playing for points at the door. It wasn\u2019t an incredible amount of money each night, and you\u2019ve got five or six guys and your soundman. If you\u2019re not playing, you\u2019re paying. You\u2019re sitting around trying to figure out what to do. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

The tour that the Shrine did with Fu Manchu in the U.S. was 11 shows in 25 days, so we booked our own shows every other night. We played record stores in Salt Lake City and Brooklyn. We couldn\u2019t drive around the country doing 11 Fu Manchu shows and only getting paid $100. What are we going to do all those other nights? We played every night. We did our own shows and that was awesome too. It was great touring with those guys. It was amazing going with them to Europe. When Rabies ended in 2007, The Shrine started.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I remember saying, \u201cLet\u2019s get Rabies to jam at a show.\u201d You said, \u201cRabies is gone, but I have a new band.\u201d <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

At the time, it was like going back to ninth grade. These were the guys I hung out with in high school, so I knew there was never any way to beat being in a band with them. If you\u2019re going to spend a bunch of time and jam and go on tours, there\u2019s a lot of voodoo. Some bands barely make it off the ground because it\u2019s so hard.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

It is hard. That\u2019s the biggest task. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Yeah. I was almost depressed before that. I was like, \u201cDo I need to move out of L.A.? There\u2019s no way I\u2019m going to find people to play music with.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

In L.A., it seems like you\u2019d have a pretty good shot. It\u2019s a giant town. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

You\u2019d think. Here I was listening to the Stooges, Sabbath and Black Flag. I could find someone that was into Black Sabbath, but they wouldn\u2019t have the mindset of punk. They were like, \u201cYou can\u2019t just start a band.\u201d Or I\u2019d meet someone that was just a vocalist like Dio and they\u2019d want to start a band. I was like, \u201cThis is not going to work.\u201d I tried to jam with tons of people, but it wasn\u2019t working. Sabbath was as far towards me as they came. Even if it wasn\u2019t on a music level, I was like, \u201cLet\u2019s record music. Let\u2019s do a tour. Let\u2019s do something.\u201d I wanted to get something off the ground, but there was nothing happening. It\u2019s so hard to find people you can jam with. Court and I ended up meeting at a party.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

He was in Phlegm Salad. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

[Laughs] Exactly. We knew each other because he had been in Phlegm Salad and we had gone to high school together. He had come from metal towards \u201870s rock and I had come from punk towards \u201870s rock.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

It\u2019s a similar drift really. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

At that point, he was going, \u201cOkay. What was Metallica listening to?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I remember seeing them in the audience at one of our Black Flag shows. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

That\u2019s what I\u2019ve heard. They were listening to punk, Thin Lizzy and Motorhead.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Motorhead was an important band. By bringing the metal crowd into the game, there was a broadening of the impetus for punk rock. Punk rock was just the impetus of more vitality and bringing more edge back into the music. Punk was bringing the bands and the audience together to make sure the music really had some juice. It was okay to play hard and bring in faster tempos. It\u2019s weird if you think about Motorhead. That\u2019s Lemmy from Hawkwind, which was a proto-space-doom group, and then he up and starts Motorhead. I remember people telling me when we were doing stuff with Black Flag, that Hawkwind was into punk rock, and the Pink Fairies were into punk rock. The edgier side of the psychedelic underground scene from Britain was turning on to punk rock. Then Lemmy started Motorhead. I remember being in England and hearing people playing Motorhead all around me. It was cool. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I\u2019ve read interviews and he\u2019s always vibed more with the punks. He said, \u201cWe\u2019re not a metal band. I feel more kinship with The Damned than I do with Judas Priest.\u201d That was pretty awesome to hear him say.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

That\u2019s interesting. His music reminds me of raunchier, sped-up ZZ Top. The riffs are awesome. I don\u2019t know if there\u2019s a connection, but it sounds like there is. They don\u2019t do the slow thing. They do the revved-up version of some great music. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Yeah. Motorhead is awesome.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

How did you come up with the name The Shrine? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I guess because it sounded heavy. Picking a name is impossible. Every idea was way too colored. If we called ourselves this, it sounds like this. People will make jokes about this. I wasn\u2019t really feeling it. It wasn\u2019t something I could wear on my sleeve. With The Shrine, I liked that. My dad has a poster in his room, and it said \u201cThe Who at The Shrine.\u201d I liked that. It sounded heavy. I liked the name The Shrine because it was kind of a blank slate. It\u2019s like The Doors. When you think of The Doors, you\u2019re not thinking about a door. When you hear of The Shrine, you\u2019re not thinking about a shrine. My dad thought it sounded too religious. He said, \u201cIt\u2019s going to be weird. People won\u2019t understand it.\u201d I liked it because it was blank. It\u2019s like The Shrine to Rock n\u2019 Roll.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I like the name. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Thanks, Chuck.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

So you went through the typical beat-your-head-until-the-light-pops scenario to come up with the name. Was it you that grabbed that out of the air? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

It was me and Jeff. We were in my room and someone pointed at that poster.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

You already had all the people together jamming, right? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

The first time I jammed with Jeff, was with Court.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Was Court already jamming with you again? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

We jammed a few more times after that party and talked about Thin Lizzy. I showed him a few riffs and songs I had. I was playing guitar and he was playing bass, so it couldn\u2019t really go that far. I would show him a riff, and then show him another one that could go with it. Then we\u2019d play them together. We did that and we couldn\u2019t do much more. It was daunting, coming out of punk, where you\u2019re going to do something, not caring if you\u2019re good enough. I\u2019m looking up to Hendrix and Black Sabbath, these masters that are untouchable. I want to play stuff that\u2019s inspired by them. I\u2019d been playing guitar for nine years at that point. I had tons of riffs and I was stoked we were jamming all the time. To have a band, you have to have a singer, but finding a singer seemed impossible. We jammed the first time, and I was like, \u201cI\u2019m going to have to trick these guys into coming back and letting me sing.\u201d So then I just tried to sing. The first thing we ever played together with me singing was \u201cN.I.B.\u201d by Black Sabbath. I knew everyone knew it, and I said, \u201cEverybody just play this.\u201d We jammed on it for ten minutes and then it was like, \u201cOkay. Cool. This is it. Let\u2019s do something. We all know Sabbath.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

You guys have a great rhythm section in the Shrine. The first time I heard you guys jam out, it really struck me. Court and Jeff are both energetic and strong and have good flow and undeniable power. Great drummer, great bass player, it\u2019s really good. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

They rip. I never jammed with a better bass player or a better drummer, let alone at the same time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

It\u2019s evolved and their evolution has fit together. After you play together for a few years, you start to intermingle your vibe. They\u2019ve gotten stronger from it, and with you too, that whole thing has become a big juicy churning hole. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I\u2019m really stoked. For a long time, I was like, \u201cDo I want to be a singer?\u201d Then I tried to sing, and then we were jamming more, and I was listening to ten-minute machine gun jams of Hendrix. A year into it, I had gone to the full opposite end of the scale with the Stooges, Hendrix, MC-5 and all this amazing stuff. I finally got into all that stuff and that consumed me. Somewhere along the line, I put back on Black Flag.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

How do the recordings fit into all this? There is the original The Shrine demo tape with \u201cNude on the Moon.\u201d <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

We had been doing the band for three months and those were just some ideas. We were listening to Zeppelin and Sabbath only.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

It\u2019s got the sound though. It\u2019s a little stripped down, compared to what it is now. Then you did the single with \u201cOlympic Airstream\u201d and \u201cMirror Fits Like a Glove.\u201d I really like that song, \u201cMirror Fits Like A Glove.\u201d I think a good point is made there. I often quote it. \u201cWhen he puts it in your pocket and pats you on the back, you can\u2019t say no.\u201d There\u2019s a thing. If you take the gift, it changes people. That\u2019s how I read it. Then you have to look in the mirror to see if you\u2019re the same man. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Yeah. A lot of people around me and all my close friends feel like that. Maybe it\u2019s because society is closing them out and they can\u2019t get a job, but a lot of people blame everyone else for them doing nothing. It\u2019s like, \u201cOh, I\u2019m just doing this, because it\u2019s the only option I have.\u201d It\u2019s that sort of mentality.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

It\u2019s what you\u2019re good at and what gives you joy. I think people need to look at what brings them joy and look at what they\u2019re good at and push that really hard. That\u2019s where you\u2019ll find your success. When people try to convince you to be someone else, you won\u2019t find as much success there. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Everyone has parents or bosses telling them no to whatever they want to do, or school is shutting them down. It\u2019s really not things they shouldn\u2019t be doing, it\u2019s things the school doesn\u2019t want them to be doing because it doesn\u2019t fit into their plan.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The school is paid for by the very powerful in our society. At least the message is tailored there. They want to generate people to work for them. It\u2019s not about more for you. It\u2019s about more for someone else. More for them means you need to get their job; not start your own thing. It\u2019s not necessarily about that. Most of the people that I know have zeroed in on where they\u2019re at and pursued that aggressively. They\u2019ve found great success in terms of joy and satisfaction as well as economics.<\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

 Reading about my old favorite bands or my old favorite skaters, that ethos has always stuck with me. I didn\u2019t really drink or do any drugs all through high school. I sat in my room playing my guitar along to Black Flag records. Even dudes in my band were like, \u201cCome hang out. Everyone is over at this dude\u2019s house.\u201d I\u2019d be like, \u201cWell, I\u2019m not really happy with where I\u2019m at right now.\u201d I either wasn\u2019t happy as a guitar player, or with my band or school, or living at home and fighting with my brother or my dad. I wasn\u2019t happy with where I was so, instead of going out, I was going to stay home and play guitar, In doing that, I\u2019d be one step closer to being better at guitar, and getting more satisfaction from it. I wanted to keep adding up hours doing something I liked. Then I really got into Hendrix. I read his autobiography when I was 19. Then I was like, \u201cOkay, let\u2019s drop some acid.\u201d That worked perfectly. [Laughs] Crazy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

So you did the single and recorded that. Is that still available?<\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

It\u2019s still online. I think you can still get it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

You\u2019ve recorded two albums since then. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Yeah. The first batch of ten songs that we recorded with you and Dave is up on iTunes too. It hasn\u2019t made it to vinyl yet. We made the single of it with our song \u201cFeatherheads\u201d and our cover of Thin Lizzy\u2019s \u201cGot to Give It Up.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

That\u2019s a great cover. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

We\u2019re really stoked on it. It came back to how the band first started with me and Court freaking out over Thin Lizzy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Now you\u2019ve got Primitive Blast and I hear you\u2019re recording more. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

We went through that whole long mess where TeePee wanted to release our record, and we did that record with you and Dave, and then that whole thing with Bowers, and then Fu Manchu\u2019s manager comes in and starts taking us out for Thai food in Hollywood. He was like, \u201cNo, don\u2019t do that. We\u2019ve got you a better deal. You guys are awesome. We believe in you.\u201d In the meantime, TeePee goes, \u201cWhat is going on? You guys have been gone for so long, fuck you.\u201d Then TeePee wouldn\u2019t let us take that deal. It was really stupid.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Well, Primitive Blast is out now, and you\u2019ve done two U.S. tours, and you took that little tour down to SXSW with Howlin\u2019 Rain. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

SXSW was a blast. We played the Thrasher Skate Rock party and things really started to open up. When that whole mess happened with the record company guys, a whole year had passed, and by then we had ten more songs. Those came about after I started listening to more hardcore again. That was my favorite stuff. Hendrix is the gnarliest dude ever, but this other stuff makes my blood jump. It gives me a rush. I wanted to mix the two, so all of the Primitive Blast stuff came out faster and more punk or more hardcore than what we were doing at the time. We were sick of the circle that Fu Manchu\u2019s manager put us through, and being in that mess with TeePee, so we just put it up online right away. We burned CDs and just gave them away. We just wanted to get it out there. Eventually, TeePee came back and we said, \u201cOkay, we\u2019ve been on a U.S. tour with Fu Manchu. We have this and it\u2019s ready to go.\u201d They put out the CD and they\u2019ve been awesome. They\u2019ve been hooking us up. They hooked us up with a tour with Graveyard.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

And you went to Europe. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

We went to Europe with Fu Manchu. It was amazing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

How did people react to that? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

It was crazy. It was awesome. Some of the shows were 750 people and we had never played for that many people. People went nuts. The reactions were amazing. We\u2019ve never gotten a better response from a bigger crowd of people. Fu Manchu was awesome for hooking us up. Now we have people from Germany writing to us and buying stuff from us all the time. People from all over Europe keep asking when we\u2019re coming back on our own.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I saw some guy online cursing because he wished he could see you on the tour with Graveyard.<\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Yeah. Graveyard is a Swedish band that we played with a year ago. When we played with them with Fu Manchu, we were in Gottenberg, Sweden, and this guy comes up wearing an old Bones Brigade shirt. He was kind of young to be wearing that shirt and he had just bought our LP. I said, \u201cWhat\u2019s up, man? That\u2019s an awesome shirt.\u201d We started talking about skating and he said he had been skating since he was 15. I told him that I skated pools in L.A., and then I said, \u201cWe don\u2019t have any place to sleep tonight.\u201d He says, \u201cOh, of course, you\u2019ll love my garage. You can park your van inside and it\u2019s safe. I have a silk-screening studio, a motorcycle garage and an English pub.\u201d I was like \u201cAre you kidding? Let\u2019s go.\u201d We go to his house and it was an identical mindset crew. His name is Mike and his crew have been skating since they were 15. They made all these videos of them skating and wrecking shit, running through supermarkets, and making a mess and flipping over cars in Sweden. It was just idiot shit that we used to do; set shit on fire and do stupid teenage shit. Then we stayed up all night and made shirts. Fu Manchu\u2019s fans were buying so many of our shirts that we were out of shirts. He said, \u201cI have a silkscreen studio so we can make your shirts.\u201d He starts working on this design for us and then he says, \u201cI do artwork for Graveyard too.\u201d We were like, \u201cWhoa. Are you kidding? We played with that band in L.A. earlier this year. He said, \u201cThose are my brothers. This is the design for their new 7-inch right here.\u201d After we came back home, Mike and TeePee put in a real good word for us. Graveyard said, \u201cWe\u2019re coming to America to tour with you guys.\u201d It was all because of us meeting up with the guy in the Bones Brigade shirt. He ended up being their brother.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[Laughs] Now you\u2019re going on tour with them. So no more of this being broke and struggling along. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Well, they\u2019re not paying us anything, but we don\u2019t have any bills. We get on the tour bus with them and give them our door money toward the bus, and we make our money on merch, but we get to play. They\u2019re playing at some big places with 600-1,000 seats. It\u2019s 27 shows, which is the biggest tour for us yet, and we\u2019re so excited about it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Do you have a new record coming out for it? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

We have a new 7-inch coming out with two songs that we recorded here at my house. We were kind of in a rush to get them done. TeePee was like, \u201cOkay, your Graveyard tour is confirmed. Go to your garage and bang out two songs and make a 7-inch really quick so we have something for it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

They know what you\u2019re about now. They got it hooked up. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

We\u2019ll crank it out. I\u2019m here to work.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

That\u2019s awesome. Do you have another album coming out too? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

When we were in Europe at the end of the Fu Manchu tour, we went to this guy\u2019s studio in Holland. This guy has this crazy awesome bunker. It\u2019s like being in this underground dungeon with a bunch of old analog gear and walls of Sun Amps and custom amps.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

It\u2019s all the stuff to make the magic. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Exactly. So we recorded ten new songs with him. We haven\u2019t even heard it back yet. There was no Internet service or phone service down in the basement. We were at borderline insanity. We were just sitting there and we could only record at night because it was an illegal squat. His family lived on the third floor of the building and the recording studio was in the basement, and on the first floor were dance classes. We couldn\u2019t record during the day because of the dance classes. We\u2019d teach Court a new song, and he\u2019d come back downstairs after taking care of his kids, and we\u2019d work until 8AM. We recorded ten new songs.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

So that\u2019s going to be the new album? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I think so. We might have to go back and finish a few things. I was trying to figure out how we\u2019re going to get back there and finish it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Maybe you can transfer it digitally and do it here. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

We\u2019re trying to figure it out. He\u2019s a purist. He\u2019s a madman. We\u2019re on his tape. He recorded my friend\u2019s band Annihilation Time in 2004. That\u2019s one of my favorite records. There isn\u2019t anything like the sound of it that I\u2019ve heard in this era. It\u2019s really awesome perfect \u201870s rock n\u2019 roll sound.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Did you record on two-inch? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

No. It was half-inch. It was just an 8-track. He was super minimalist. He had the drums miked with two mikes. It was completely isolated. Here\u2019s the trippier thing. Court and I both recorded direct; direct guitar and bass. He cranked the board up super gnarly, so it was super compressed. I haven\u2019t even heard it back yet, but my guitar sounded like an organ. It almost sounded like Jon Lord, like really a totally different sound.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

That sounds amazing. People record direct bass all the time, but direct guitar is weird. \u201cSix-Pack\u201d is direct guitar. Black Flag and the Dead Kennedys used it back in that era. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Right. I was like, \u201cYou have a whole dungeon full of Sun Amps and I\u2019m going to play direct?\u201d But we went there to let him do his thing. He was experimenting. We were super stoked. Everything was so compressed. When we heard it back, it was crazy. It sounded like a bell. The guitars were really warm, fuzzy, compressed and overdriven.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

That sounds promising. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

He was like, \u201cDo you hear those overtones? You can hear them.\u201d It was pretty amazing. We\u2019ve never sounded like that before. He was like, \u201cThis is amazing. Now I know I can record direct.\u201d We were like his guinea pigs for this new method. He was cooking up recording schemes in this basement in Holland. We were so psyched on how it sounded when we were listening to the playback. I can\u2019t wait to actually get the mixes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

You have to get the dungeon masters and then you can put out the dungeon masters record. What\u2019s his name? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Guy Tavares. His recording studio is called MotorWolf. He\u2019s a genius. He\u2019s a mad scientist. It was really awesome just talking about music with him. He has a band called Orange Sunshine. In the \u201890s, he was a crazy electro-acid freak. He\u2019s a total genius. It was amazing being there. It was like we were in a Monk\u2019s temple. There was no communication. We were blocked out from the world. Now I understand how old bands recorded all night in basements, and came out with stuff. It\u2019s because there were no distractions. There was nowhere for us to go in The Hague. It was awesome. He was playing us this super amazing \u201860s black funk American music. He\u2019d play something specific before we\u2019d record. He\u2019d say, \u201cNotice how they do this. Listen. They\u2019re playing really lazy, but it\u2019s really strong, but they sound like they don\u2019t give a fuck. They sound tough. They\u2019re not trying to over do it. They\u2019re just letting the groove ooze out. Don\u2019t push too hard.\u201d Jeff was trying to do a complicated fill on the intro of a song and he\u2019d say, \u201cBe lazy. Be powerful. Be confident. Do a simple fill.\u201d We\u2019d come in on the next one and it would work. It was crazy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

It\u2019s funny how power and simplicity takes courage. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

It\u2019s on my mind more and more. He said, \u201cDon\u2019t try to lift a weight that\u2019s too heavy and show everyone what you look like squealing under it.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

That\u2019s a really good way to put it. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

He was like, \u201cStop trying to make it so complicated. Just be strong.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Music has that. Does it go across to skating? <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

My favorite skating is usually not the gnarliest trick. It\u2019s style and attitude.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

If you think about Jay Adams, it\u2019s power and grace. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

The gnarliest most complicated, most tech tricks are one thing, but my brother and I will nerd out on the simplest trick, like a grind in a pool, or where it is, or the style. I love those old photos of Jay Adams. It\u2019s really the style and attitude behind it. You can see someone\u2019s style and see into someone\u2019s world and attitude towards life.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

There\u2019s power there too. Skating is for the individual. My first skateboard was something I pushed to my friend\u2019s house. It was transportation. I could take a skateboard to school and ride my skateboard all the way home. It was just slightly downhill for three miles. It was a cool thing. There\u2019s also art in it. There\u2019s power and art in skateboarding. Just like in music, there\u2019s a unity of a person\u2019s motion, emotion and expression. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

It really comes across when you look at skate photos.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I can certainly see it in my friend Glen Friedman\u2019s photos. He\u2019s a great rock photographer and skateboard photographer. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I have all of Friedman\u2019s books.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

It just shows that skateboarding, being an underground art over the last 30 years, is just becoming recognized. Before that they were thought of as toys. Now it\u2019s become a full-on thing. I wouldn\u2019t be surprised if the X Games joined in with the Olympics. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

That\u2019s supposed to happen. Then they\u2019ll have rules about it, and you\u2019ll have to play a riff this way if you want to be in the X Games rock concert.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Just like with music, I would imagine that skateboarding has an underground edge to it because it\u2019s rooted to the pavement. It\u2019s just like the guitar. You pick it up and play it. You get to reinvent those things over and over again because they don\u2019t conform to being classicized by old school forms. The overall beauty and power come into music and skating. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I agree.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Do you want to talk about how you\u2019re going to change the world? The fact that you\u2019re here makes the world better. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Same to you. The things that you\u2019ve done have changed my life.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

What you\u2019re doing changes mine. You\u2019ve been a positive influence on me. <\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

That\u2019s epic. Thank you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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