INTERVIEW BY CHRISTIAN FLETCHER
INTRODUCTION BY DAN LEVY
PHOTO BY GLEN E. FRIEDMAN
Black Flag was straight up one of the most influential bands in history. The fuck you attitude coupled with sarcastic observations of mainstream culture shot through distorted amps and like minded crowds literally helped define a generation. Chuck Dukowski is a smart bad ass who continues to raise his middle finger in the air and mean it. This is a conversation between two icons who continue to influence the world to this day. Juice Magazine presents Chuck Dukowski and Christian Fletcher. – DAN LEVY
“I just decided if I was going to have to be a force for some kind of rebellion, I better do it in the thing I love the most.”
Hello? Is this Chuck? This is Christian Fletcher.
Greetings, Christian Fletcher. Where you at?
I’m in San Clemente at work.
My family makes traction for surfboards, and sandals, and surf movies. I do mostly shipping and stuff like that.
Right. I know that game.
My kid and I work for my mom and my dad.
So you think you’re some kind of rock star or something? I got all day to wait around for you while you’re drinking coffee and shit?
[Laughs] I wasn’t ready for the interview.
[Laughs] I’m just fucking with you, man.
I suppose there’s some reality to that, but that’s not why.
[Laughs] Well, I’ve done some interviews with people and been falling asleep or nodding out in the middle of it, and then I wake up a few minutes later and finish it up, so I understand.
[Laughs] I’m not doing any of that. I wasn’t even drinking coffee. I was shy. I don’t know. There are two sides to me.
Are you a Gemini?
I grew up around a lot of Gemini’s and they made me believe in astrology. My brother is a Gemini. My cousin is a Gemini and they’ve got personalities for every year they’re alive.
I don’t know about astrology. It was pretty popular when I was in college. George Bush liked it right? Or was it Reagan’s wife that liked astrology? Hitler was into it.
[Laughs] It seemed to work for him, I guess.
I guess not. It worked pretty badly for a few million people, like everybody in Germany. It was Hitler against the world, and if you were Jewish, it was especially a bad thing.
Yeah. That really would have sucked. Are you into politics?
I’m not a politician, but I do stay abreast of events and try to impact things in a positive direction. I feel like everybody needs to try to move the world to a better place. I think it’s their responsibility, unless they’re assholes and then they’re trying to move it to a worse place.
It seems like there’s a lot of assholes out there.
There are some big assholes out there, and then there are people who feel like their voice is futile, and it doesn’t help for them to do anything, so they go ahead and just become tools. I think that that’s a negative thing. It’s important to represent for your beliefs.